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and president clinton came out striking down doma. and this comes back to the logic step-taking on marriage equality. >> thomas, it's not surprising that hillary clinton did this. but not only is the cover on the move for gay marriage in the next four or five years but also we haven't seen hillary clinton on the political stage in the last four or five years and that's is why she never communicated on the matter. consistent with barack obama when he was campaigning. of course, barack obama made his shift during the 2012 presidential campaign. now, we're seeing hillary clinton make her shift. and it does end up stoking some type of speculation that this might be all apparent to lay the ground work for a potential 2016 bid. >> from a strategy standpoint, why do you think this was done in connection with the hrc, as opposed to that website. i don't know if it's up yet, with regard to collecting e-mail, but the website that they fired up? >> it just comes after rob portman made his news and support for gay marriage. he's the republican se
and president clinton came out striking down doma. and this comes back to the logic step-taking on marriage equality. >> thomas, it's not surprising that hillary clinton did this. but not only is the cover on the move for gay marriage in the next four or five years but also we haven't seen hillary clinton on the political stage in the last four or five years and that's is why she never communicated on the matter. consistent with barack obama when he was campaigning. of course, barack...
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we'll see you back here tomorrow as the high court takes up doma. as you said, thousands of demonstrators on both sides of this debate are staked out in the capital. here's a look at them in their own words. >> prop 8 has got to go! >> they chanted every child deserves a mom and dad. mike is a correspondent with the "huffington post." he also produces huff post live. we talk about yesterday the idea that because public opinion had moved so dramatically so quickly on this issue, maybe this would have the effect of giving the supreme court the idea that they are less pressured to rule on this at all because the democratic process is clearly working outside of the court. do you think that it is possible and so they'll sort of take a step back from this, or do you think they want to get out now on public opinion and accurately reflect the sentiment of the country right now? >> reporter: until justice kennedy said maybe we should dismiss this case, it seems the court was looking to get out ahead of the states. public opinion is over 50% for same sex marr
we'll see you back here tomorrow as the high court takes up doma. as you said, thousands of demonstrators on both sides of this debate are staked out in the capital. here's a look at them in their own words. >> prop 8 has got to go! >> they chanted every child deserves a mom and dad. mike is a correspondent with the "huffington post." he also produces huff post live. we talk about yesterday the idea that because public opinion had moved so dramatically so quickly on this...
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the other on the defense of marriage act, doma. will the supreme court follow public opinion? or will it stand and yell, stop? >>> in the 1970s the republican party began two decades in the wilderness when it swung too far to the left from where the country was at the time. now it's the republican party's turn. new polling suggests the gop is at its worst. the hard right is trying to keep itself in office and the party out of the white house, it seems. >>> remember last year how republicans were insisting all the calls were dead wrong right up until mitt romney actually lost? with those numbers? and even after that? well, they're at it again. now it's the polls on gay marriage that are wrong they say. all those polls are wrong. don't believe a word of them, they say. >>> finally, let me finish with people who were the cheerleaders, when their job was to be referee. the press. in the buildup to the iraq war. >>> as i mentioned karl rove is apparently trying to carry favor with the hard right again after his call for more establishment party candidates. yesterday he sounded the
the other on the defense of marriage act, doma. will the supreme court follow public opinion? or will it stand and yell, stop? >>> in the 1970s the republican party began two decades in the wilderness when it swung too far to the left from where the country was at the time. now it's the republican party's turn. new polling suggests the gop is at its worst. the hard right is trying to keep itself in office and the party out of the white house, it seems. >>> remember last year...
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doma won't stop that. it's natural. all it does is inflict pain by denying the rights of those that have a different lifestyle than those of us who are straight. it's not going to stop this. you find somebody and fall in love. >> stephanie: okay. stop bringing that point up. stop poking me with the loser stick. bill, i have read a lot of legal analysis about that. this is what happened in prop 8. this is not hurting anybody. it's just opening a right to everybody, right? >> caller: well, and this is the thing. it is inflicting pain. i just read in the state journal this morning, a woman who had partner who died, and she has no right to even the wedding ring. it's horrible. it's ridiculous. >> stephanie: right. >> on facebook today a lot of gay people are switching their sign to a red equal sign. and a lot of straight people are starting to do that too. >> stephanie: oh. thank you, y'all straight people. mary, welcome. >> caller: hi, everybody. last week's show was pretty good, and that was good choice that you made putt
doma won't stop that. it's natural. all it does is inflict pain by denying the rights of those that have a different lifestyle than those of us who are straight. it's not going to stop this. you find somebody and fall in love. >> stephanie: okay. stop bringing that point up. stop poking me with the loser stick. bill, i have read a lot of legal analysis about that. this is what happened in prop 8. this is not hurting anybody. it's just opening a right to everybody, right? >> caller:...
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the other case, doma, defense of marriage act which basically says the federal government will not allow benefits for couples who in their states have been legally married. >> i think that is a much harder problem, not just for the court but for conservatives, and i've made the point in december. i believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. i believe in fact that pope francis's arguments, on relativism are powerful but i believe there are fax on the ground. and, one of the facts is going to be, the state says we are going to limit marriage between a man and woman but, by the way, american citizens visit from a different state. now, what happens to that situation? i mean, i think we are now going to be muddled and i think for the health of country it is better to have the muddle in the legislative bodies and politics than it is to have it cut through by five people on a 5-4 vote. >> chris: we should point out it is interesting, i didn't realize this: the case that is going before the court involves a woman, a lesbian who was involved for many years in a marriage, her partner died
the other case, doma, defense of marriage act which basically says the federal government will not allow benefits for couples who in their states have been legally married. >> i think that is a much harder problem, not just for the court but for conservatives, and i've made the point in december. i believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. i believe in fact that pope francis's arguments, on relativism are powerful but i believe there are fax on the ground. and, one of the facts...
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so what that means is that at the very least the supreme court overturns doma right? and -- which gives states, you know, the right of sort of defining what marriage is and then they hold -- at the very least the narrowest ruling upholding the strikedown of pop situation 8, meaning that california couples could continue to be married or start again, but it doesn't necessarily -- >> bill: apply to the entire country. >> and then there is this other argument which is an 8-state solution, whichever state like california, basically giving a bunch of benefits with the exception of the wore marriage then they would have to adopt it, because there's no reason why -- the state can't have an interest in denying the word marriage if it is giving all of the benefits of marriage. and then there is the constitutional right to marriage nationwide. but what he was saying was at the very least they overturn doma and give a narrow ruling upholding the strikedown of prop 8. he thought there was zero chance that they did anything negative to hurt same-sex marriage. >> bill: so rob portm
so what that means is that at the very least the supreme court overturns doma right? and -- which gives states, you know, the right of sort of defining what marriage is and then they hold -- at the very least the narrowest ruling upholding the strikedown of pop situation 8, meaning that california couples could continue to be married or start again, but it doesn't necessarily -- >> bill: apply to the entire country. >> and then there is this other argument which is an 8-state...
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and president clinton reversed and no longer likes doma. and do you think you'll he get the decision? >> we're hoping for a big win. the question -- the arguments and the questions that were asked are very interesting as you know, as a lawyer, it's fascinating. it's high drama, high legal drama. this is exciting as legal dr drama gets. i'm reluctant to get too much into the questions, you never know where the justices are going to end up. the important thing to remember, if the court decides to not issue a ruling or substantive ruling on the merits. if they decide to rule procedurally that the case is not ready for the decision. it's one of two lower court rulings is what is going to stand. and both the lower courts in this case ruled in favor of the plaintiffs. so-- >> meaning a win for gay marriage proponents if the supreme court punts on it. >> that's right. so if the court decides not to decide, the plaintiffs, the gay marriage advocates are going to be the winners in this. >> megyn: before i get to maggie, just as a procedural matter,
and president clinton reversed and no longer likes doma. and do you think you'll he get the decision? >> we're hoping for a big win. the question -- the arguments and the questions that were asked are very interesting as you know, as a lawyer, it's fascinating. it's high drama, high legal drama. this is exciting as legal dr drama gets. i'm reluctant to get too much into the questions, you never know where the justices are going to end up. the important thing to remember, if the court...
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the next day the court takes up the constitutional conflict in the 1996 defense of marriage act or doma which defines federal acknowledgment of same-sex marriag marriages. at stake? federal marriage benefits for those who are legally married. the arguments laid out before the nine justices this week will establish a furd precedence for the next chapter for the fight in marriage equality. this is a watershed moment. but it is just part of a long and continuing struggle because the struggle has already been quite long. in the summer of 1969, five days of riots sparked by the aggressive anti-guy police action in new york city founded a battle cry that helped to launch the guy rights movement. a year later, a couple in minnesota was denied a marriage license because state law limited marriage to persons of the opposite sex. their case made to the u.s. supreme court back in 1972. it was dismissed without so much as a written opinion. the court ruled that same sex couples have no constitutional rights married and that the legal challenge itself failed to raise a substantial federal question a
the next day the court takes up the constitutional conflict in the 1996 defense of marriage act or doma which defines federal acknowledgment of same-sex marriag marriages. at stake? federal marriage benefits for those who are legally married. the arguments laid out before the nine justices this week will establish a furd precedence for the next chapter for the fight in marriage equality. this is a watershed moment. but it is just part of a long and continuing struggle because the struggle has...
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doma making news after former president bill clinton publicly urged the nine justices to overturn the rule he signed into law. now his wife, hillary clinton, is expressing her support for same-sex marriage. >> lbgt americans are our colleagues, our teachers, our soldiers, our friends, our loved ones. and they are full and equal citizens and deserve the rights of citizenship. that includes marriage. >> the clintons are joining prominent politicians on both sides of the aisle, including ohio senator rob portman, a republican who is publicly backing same-sex marriage. but will that political pressure have any impact on the nation's highest court? joining me now is cnn senior legal analyst, jeffrey toobin, and the executive director and founder of go proud, jimmy dealva. thank you both for being with us this morning. >> good morning. >> jimmy, there's a new poll in "the washington post" that shows a surprising 58% of americans support same-sex marriage. that is a sea change from just a few years ago. to what do you attribute that rise? >> i think that all americans are thinking about this
doma making news after former president bill clinton publicly urged the nine justices to overturn the rule he signed into law. now his wife, hillary clinton, is expressing her support for same-sex marriage. >> lbgt americans are our colleagues, our teachers, our soldiers, our friends, our loved ones. and they are full and equal citizens and deserve the rights of citizenship. that includes marriage. >> the clintons are joining prominent politicians on both sides of the aisle,...